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Marjorie Perloff Conversation, Part 2

Marjorie Perloff talks to Charles Bernstein about a set of schisms that seem to divide 20th century poetry: Yeats versus Futurism; Robert Lowell versus Frank O’Hara; and Wallace Stevens versus Ezra Pound. She reflects on the ongoing legacies of radical modernism for contemporary poetry. Perloff is one of the great 20th century champions of innovative poetry and poetics. Her books include The Poetic Art of Robert Lowell (1973), The Poetics of Indeterminacy: Rimbaud to Cage (1981), Poetic License: Studies in Modernist and Postmodernist Lyric (1989), Radical Artifice: Writing Poetry in the Age of Media (1991), Poetry On and Off the Page: Essays for Emergent Occasions (1998); 21st Century Modernism: The ‘New Poetics’ (2002), The Vienna Paradox (2004), and Differentials: Poetry, Poetics, Pedagogy (2004). You can read many of her essays at (30 minutes).


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Conversations and readings with poets and artists, produced in cooperation with PennSound and hosted by Charles Bernstein, the American poet, theorist, editor, and literary scholar. Bernstein was born in New York City in 1950. He is a foundational member and leading practitioner of Language poetry. Bernstein was educated at the Bronx High School of Science and at Harvard University, where he studied philosophy with Stanley Cavell and wrote his final thesis on Gertrude Stein and Ludwig Wittgenstein.

In the mid-1970s Bernstein became active in the experimental poetry scenes in New York and San Francisco, not only as a poet, but also as an editor, publisher, and theorist. With visual artist and wife Susan Bee, Bernstein published several now well-known poets whose work is associated with Language writing.